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Сребреница - bojan - 05-28-2005
Što se tiče "Ravne Gore" i hepeninga na njoj,ne bih naširoko komentarisao,ali tamo nema nikog autentičnog.
Glavni organizator je bradati komunista,bivši sekretar visokog partijskog funkcionera...
Što se tiče hercegovca,svaka mu čast i treba da piše,ali bi bilo bolje kad bi se ovo što on piše "telalilo" svaki dan na TV-u da mlađe generacije nauče nešto o istini koja nas je zadesila već 60.tu godinu...
Uzgred ja vrlo dobro znam i šta se dešavalo u Sarajevu 1941,a i u Mostaru istih godina kao i šta je Široki Brijeg za Srbe iz Hercegovine...
A ovi stihovi Maka Dizdara (čiija smo dela učili u školi) verovatno su sa ploče vezane za "Markale"?Ispravi me ako grešim Hercegovac...
Treba javno i glasno reči ko su "demokrate",sve deca komunista,zadojena bratsvom i jedinstvom,a slepa i imuna na zverstva nad Srbima,jer to nije po ključu...
Mićunović-arhikomunjara i cinkaroš za vreme studentskih demonstracija 1968
Vuk-već sam ga spomenuo
Žarko-takođe već spomenut
Ostalih likova trenutno nemogu da se setim...kad se setim,pisaću...
I još jedna VRLO BITNA SVAR:
Za ove mlađe,studentske demonstracije 1968 o kojima guslaju gorepomenuti "antikomunisti",nisu vođene PROTIV komunista i njihove vlasti,već ZA BOLJI I MARKSISTIČKIJI KOMUNIZAM-što protagonisti istih nisu u stanju da glasno i jasno kažu...
Zato je i "drug Tito" rekao na kraju..."studenti su u pravu"
Сребреница - херцеговац - 05-29-2005
Quote:A ovi stihovi Maka Dizdara (čiija smo dela učili u školi) verovatno su sa ploče vezane za "Markale"?Ispravi me ako grešim Hercegovac...
То је са плоча из Тузле, и хвала Богу да би било боље да се може истина пробити до медија, али то је оно као са нама-шта год да се уради и каква год фрка везана за текме била, увијек ће нас приказати као главне кривце!!!
Улети мурија, ми криви-упуцају клинца, он крив што се нашао на путањи гумењака!? :zbunjen
Сребреница - LukaLoko - 05-29-2005
Hercegovce, sta je sa Srbima iz Klepaca i Loznice?
Sta znas o delovanju takozvanog "Juke" Jusufa Prazine?
On je sa svojom grupom takodje zastrasivao Srbe u Sarajevu u prvim godinama rata.
Сребреница - херцеговац - 05-29-2005
Quote:Hercegovce, sta je sa Srbima iz Klepaca i Loznice?
Има нас још живих!!!
Колико прије десетак дана био сам у Чапљини, Клепцима (стари је из Клепаца), Пребиловцима...по први пут од њихове офанзиве и заузимања долине Неретве, а срамног повлачења ЈНА и остављања народа на милост и немилост усташама из метковићке и сплитске (знамо сви да су листом у сплитској били они што воле "ајдука) бојне!?
Тај троугао Пребиловци, Клепци, Тасовчићи имао је под оружјем свега 300 мушкараца и нешто жена, док су на нас јуришале снаге из Хрватске, домаће усташе и странци...
Има нас свуда, један мали дио се вратио њих на прсте да набројиш и живе тешко и у бједи...све је у окружењу срушено, а хрвати су на српској земљи од правца Гњилишта па Тасовчићи и све преко Домановића и Дубрава населили своје из централне Босне које су Срби спасили када су их балије сатјерале у обруч, да их ове не покољу.
Паре за куће им је дала Хрватска и Ватикан преко своје банке, направили су самостан на Клепашници са ове стране, тамо гдје никада Хрвата није било...
И тако њих неколико, међу којима и неки моји рођаци, краду Богу дане и довијају се...
А остали су највише у Билећи, посјетио сам и гробље, не можеш замислиш да то гробље чине углавном наши одоздо, међу првима је сахрањен покојни Пака, Павле Екмечић, погинуо на Мостару, па онда и мој ујак Милован К., једино ко је ту сахрањен, а није из долине је Рус добровољац погинуо 1995. године на Фазлагића Кули Сергеи Владимирович Малешко, човјек са два факултета. Иако је био рањен и имао проблема са ногом вратио се на линију и када су чистили Ф.К. налете на мину...
Вјечна ти слава Сергеи!!!
Има нас и у Београду, доста људи је дошло послије рата не би ли нашла бар мало боље услове живота од онопга што је нудила Република Српска, без посла, без наде...
А они који су били по логорима су породице пребацили у иностранство, мислим да је једна од ријетких моја која иако је имала "логорашки" статус у логорима: Дретељ, Грабовина, Љубушки, Лора (Сплит), Хелиодром (Мостар), нигдје није ван Србије хтјела...
Ако те неко интересује реци, па да нађемо гдје је и шта је!?
Ко није чуо за тај крај, да се боље упозна:
4. август 1941. године.
Био је дан, а била је ноћ. Било је љето, а била је зима. Били су комшије, пријатељи, кумови, а били су крвници, џелати и силеџије. Били су људи, а била су бића од којих се сотона застидјети може. Тог кобног дана у Преибиловце се слегло, под пушком и камом, око три хиљаде усташа. Пошто нису били наоружани, одрасли Пребиловчани били су принуђени да се склоне у околна брда, а у селу су остале жене, дјеца и старци.
И тада на сцену ступају са силом срођени сотонини угодници. Усташки логорник Фрањо Вего из Чапљине, у просторијама Основне школе у Пребиловцима, силује дјевојку Медић (Ристе) Ђуку. Видјевши то, подређене усташе пред школу износе ћебад и пред окупљеном масом започињу крвави пир.
Под пријетњом смрћу, са пушком упереном у сљепочницу, усташа Јозо Боровац из чапљинског села Требижат, наређује Стоји Булут, жени Љубановој, да кћери Милеви држи расчеречене ноге док је он силује. Наочиту, Драгичевић (Максима) Фимију послије жестоке борбе, врисака, плача и јаука, силује десетак усташа. Послије силовања је кољу.
Сеоеку учитељицу Стану Арнаут силује десетак одраслих усташа, а послије тога силују је њезини малолетни ђаци из чапљинског села Габела, гдје је несретна Стана прије Пребиловаца службовала. Свирепе и крвожедне убице звјерског инстинкта, задовољивши своју пожуду Стани бајонетом касапе стомак и полумртву је бацају у башту подно школе, гдје је кољу и закопавају.
Верујући да је кумство част и обавеза, несрећна дјевојка Булут (Јове) Даница, склонила се у комшијско, хрватско, село Лозницу код кућног кума Матић Дамјана. Кум Дамјан је није силовао, али с обзиром да се код чапљинских усташа губитак људског достојанства проглашавао за врлину, то је по наговору Дамјана, учинио Томић (Анте) Јозо, комшија Дамјанов, који Даницу одводи у Чапљину, иживљава се над њом два-три дана, потом је коље и оставља на ледини да јој пси леш развлаче.
Сотоне надмашују сотоне, када затичући у порођајним боловима Милеву Медан, жену Богданову, бајонетом јој распоре стомак, бајонетом ваде дијете из утробе мајке, замотавају га крпама и опет бајонетом враћају дијете у утробу.
Из присутне масе, усташе одабиру двадесетак најљепших дјевојака, присиљавају их да се скину ко од мајке рођене и да коло играју. Пошто су га скинули до гола, у коло убацују и осамдесетогодишњака Шарић Николу званог "Хаџија", а да слика буде комплетна потрудили су се муслимани из Чапљине који су са двије хармонике и гитаром чинили музичку потпору. Врхунац бестијалности састојао се у томе да су усташе дјечицу из преко педесет кољевки узимале за ноге, па затим замасима ударали дјечијим главама о зидове школе.
Године 1941, Пребиловчани бивају одведени у логор Модрич у комшијско село Тасовчиће. Током ноћи чапљинске усташе долазе у логор, изводе из логора дјевојке Олгу (Ристе) Брњашић и Даницу (Милана) Шарић, силују их неколико часова и поново враћају у логор.
Ноћу, 5-6. августа 1941. године, из логора на Модричу, усташе Пребиловчане пребацују на 2,5 км удаљену железничку станицу у Чапљини, гдје се почела порађати Милева Екмечић, жена Бранкова. Луциферови сродници су нагрнули на Милеву бајонетама искасапили и њу и дијете, те тако раскомадане затрпали их у смеће код жељезничке станице.
Два-три часа послије пола ноћи Пребиловчане затварају у шест сточних вагона и одвозе их у шест кидометара удаљену железничку станицу Шурманце.
У освит зоре 6. августа 1941. године са жељезничке станице у Шурманцима, преко шест стотина Пребиловчана нагурани у колону, коју су са обе стране моткама и кундацима од пушака ударале усташе, упућује се уз брдо Црмницу до коте зване Вранац, коте која је удаљена пар стотина метара од јаме Голубинка.
На коти Вранац усташе су их опљачкале, а послије пљачке опет су радили оно што им је историја у наук оставила, тј. тукли, силовали и клали.
Око хиљаду хрватских усташа са подручја општине Чапљина, само за неколико часова, напомињем поново само за неколино часова, бацило је преко шест стотина живих Пребиловчана у јаму Голубинка на брду Црмница у селу Шурманци, општина Чапљина.
Не желећи да је крволоци додирују, жена Манојла Булута узела је за руке своја два сина и заједно са њима скочила у бездан јаме Голубинка. Пребиловачке дјевојке су мислиле да је ту крај њиховим мукама, али усташе нису мислиле тако, јер поново одабиру десетак дјевојака, поново их силују, поново кољу.
У мјесецу мају 1941. године Пребиловци су имали 994 српске главе. У мјесецу мају 1945. године Пребиловци су имали – 170 српских глава, што ће рећи да су комшије, хрватске усташе, живе бациле у јаму или заклали, 824 Србина из Пребиловаца.
Пребиловци, камен крвљу попрскан.
Од мјесеца маја 1945. - до данас
Послије мјесеца маја 1945. године, на подручју општине Чапљина, није било српске куће без црне заставе, али полицији аустро-угарског каплара, требало је дванаест година да открије опште познате починиоце злочина, усташе крволоке.
Иако је на јами Голубинка у Шурманцима било око хиљаду усташа, на Окружном суду у Мостару, 3. октобра 1957.године, суђено је само четрнаесторици усташа. Шест је осуђено на смрт стријељањем: Јовановић Иван, Анковић Мирко, Иванковић Мате, Остојић Јозо, Васиљ Јаков и Прусац Јозо, а остали су суђени на различите временске казне.
За плакати је да је на судском процесу у Мостару, један од судија поротника био и Јозо Јелчић, предсједник Среског одбора у Чапљини (градоначелник), усташа из чапљинског села Грабовина, који је учествовао у хапшењу и спровођењу Пребиловчана до јаме Голубинка у Шурманцима. Тај исти Јозо Јелчић је био главнокомандујући усташа, приликом насељавања усташа у српске куће у Пребиловцима. Под његовим руководством преко осамдесет најкрволочнијих усташких кољача из Чапљине, било је насељено 3. августа 1941. године у српске куће у Пребиловцима.
Видјевши да је џелат и судија један те исти човјек, 125 Пребиловчана мјесеца октобра 1957. године пише петицију предсједнииу Окружног суда у Мостару, против усташе Јозе Јелчића из Чапљине.
Притиснута необоривим доказима, тада актуелна власт усташу Јозу Јелчића, смјењује са мјеста предсједника Среског одбора у Чапљини и са мјеста судије поротника, и умјесто да му суде као крволоку, Брозови подрепаши бирају заклетог и доказаног усташу Јозу Јелчића, у Савјет Републике Босне и Херцеговине, дају му националну пензију и као врхунац кроатизма, одликују га ничим другим до Орденом братства и јединства.
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Живот тече даље, али муке за Пребиловчане не пролазе. Послије осамнаест мјесеци преписке, разговарања и упућивања делегација на све релевантне адресе власти општине Чапљине и Републике Босне и Херцеговине, поткрај 1990. године приступило се отварању забетонираних јама у којима су се налазили земни остаци српских мученика. По отварању јаме Голубинка у Шурманцима, у јаму дубоку преко осамдесет метара спустила се група свештеника и одржала опјело настрадалим Србима.
У непосредној близини јаме, испод том приликом подигнутог шатора, вршено је чишћење и прање костију мученика. Један члан тима стручњака са Судске медицине и антропологије из Београда, који су директно на терену вршили експертизу, за тренутак је подигао у ваздух малену дјечију бутну кост и присутнима објашњавао да је то кост нерођена дјетета.
Ту се затекао и старина Трипко-Трише Екмечић, који је сузна лица дуго загледао кост, миловао је и љубио. Тешком муком Трише је откидао ријечи из себе, говорећи да та кост може бити кост његовог нерођеног дјетета, јер усташе су 6. августа 1941. године у јаму Голубинка у Шурманцима, бацили и његову супругу Дану која је била зашла у девети мјесец трудноће.
Видно потресен Трише поново љуби кост, лице му се грчи, сузе теку, јечи, кост притиска уз срце, занесе се и клону.
Срце није издржало.
Био сам један од петнаест хиљада Срба из Херцеговине, колико је Трипка-Тришу Екмечића из Пребиловаца, испраћало на вјечни починак. "Заборавити не можемо, опростити не смијемо, а светити се не желимо. Освета за злочин је људски гријех, колико и он сам", слушам рођеног Пребиловчанина, вршњака побијене дјеце са којима се играо до дванаесте године живота, академика др. Милорада Екмечића, у говору који је одржао као један од говорника, мјесеца новембра 1990. године у Пребиловцима, по одржаној служби Божјој за покој душа српских мученика.
"У име Оца и Сина и Светога духа дајемо одобрење и благослов да можете саградити спомен-цркву и да се посвети Сабору Српских светитеља и Пребиловачки мученика, који се слави 10. октобра", каже се, између осталог, у одобрењу које читам а које је пристигло од Епархије Захумско-Херцеговачке и Митрополита Дабробосанског, по поднешеном захтјеву Одбора села Пребиловаца, за изградњу спомен-цркве у Пребиловцима.
Његова Светост Патријарх Српски Г. Павле чинодејствовао је 6. августа 1991. године, а саслуживали су високи црквени достојанственици, приликом освјештења темеља цркве Сабор Српских светитеља и Пребиловачких мученика.
Међу више хиљада присутних Срба из цјеле земље, том чину су били присутни и предсједник Српске академије наука и умјетности Душан Каназир, те акадекици Добрица Ћосић, Антоније Исаковић, Матија Бећковић и Милорад Екмечић. Ту су били и прваци политичког живота из Србије и Херцеговине, пјесници, књижевници, сликари, те секретар Државне комисије за ратне злочине извршене над српским народом у Другом свјетском рату од стране НДХ (Независне државе Хрватске) и окупатора, др. Милан Булајић, и многи други. Пројекат за цркву израдио је архитекта Горан Дуганџија из Београда.
Поткрај 1991. године у 18 метара дугу, 15 метара широку и 2,8 метара високу, добровољним радом изграђену Спомен-костурницу која се налазила у поџемном дјелу цркве, према процјени антрополога са Судске медицине из Београда, похрањене су кости од преко четири хиљаде Срба, извађене из дванаест херцеговачких јама.
Иначе, купола на цркви требало је да буде висока двадесет метара а био је планиран и засебан звоник исте висине. Међупростор између цркве и звоника требао је бити изграђен црквеним садржајима, а укупна дужина целокупне грађевине требала је бити 34,8 метара.
У чапљинском крају и 1941. године и 1991. године, пјевана је једна те иста пјесма: "Ја усташа и ћаћа ми бија, отац сину занат оставија". Месеца јуна 1992. године, чапљинске усташе су минирале и са земљом сравниле Спомен-цркву у Пребиловцима.
Једном су их њихови очеви живе бацали у јаму, а сада послије педесет година њихови синови се плаше мртвих Срба и само зато што су Срби, једне те исте људе убијају два пута. Пребиловчанима историја увијек трчи преко леђа, тако да су свој камен увијек властитом крвљу прскали. У камену и крви мртви су се продуживали у живима, а живима је мајка црква била луча, учитељица живота, чувар традиција и ризница историјског памћења.
Историја нас учи да је у Пребиловцима тамјан увјек некоме сметао, прекјуче османлијама, јуче швабама а данас хрватсним усташама.
Штитећи све оно што се крсти са три прста и 1992. године цвјет пребиловачке младости положио је своје животе на олтар православља.
Међу нама нису, али ће са нама увијек бити: Екмечић (Миленка) Павле, Крунић (Милана) Милован, Булут (Данила) Ђорђе, Булут (Вељка) Слободан, Драгичевић (Драге) Бранко, Рељић (Јована) Новица и Екмечић (Данила) Богдан.
Према мојим сазнаљима данас у Пребиловцима, словом и бројем, живе два Србина, браћа Ристо и Божо Булут.
Пребиловци маја 1941. године - 994 српске главе.
Пребиловци маја 1945. године - 170 српских глава.
Пребиловци маја 1991. године - 172 српске главе.
Пребиловци маја 2000. године - 2 српске главе.
Желим ослободити осјећања од мржње, те стога вјерујем да је истина најбоља заштитница од нове несреће, а несрећа је да је сваки нови дан тежи од претходног у спознаји да јесмо а нисмо.
Али даће Бог и Свети Василије Острошки, и свануће и тај 10. октобар, дан када се слави Сабор Српских светитеља и Пребиловачких мученика, дан када ћемо се окупити у новоизграђеној Спомен-цркви у мученичким Пребиловцима, своји на свом.
"Све што иштете у својој молитви, вјерујте да ћете примити; и биће вам" (Мк 11,24)
Одлазим у цркву, крстим се и палим свјећу.
Сребреница - LukaLoko - 05-30-2005
Hercegovce, neka te Bog blagoslovi i neka sve vas blagoslovi!!
Ne uspevam nista drugo da kazem.
Сребреница - Sokol - 06-01-2005
Braco dodjite malo i na www.srbadija.co.sr pa da i tamo malo popricamo.
Pozdrav za sve.
Сребреница - херцеговац - 06-01-2005
3 Years Later, And Still Searching
Written by salvia
Thursday, 11 March 2004
The third anniversary of the takeover of Srebrenica by Bosnian- Serb troops on July 11, 1995, has come and gone. The significance of this takeover determined not only the outcome of the Bosnian
civil war, but reached far beyond the Balkans.
It was the events around Srebrenica, and the subsequent indict-
ments against the Bosnian Serb political leader, Radovan Karadzic
and the Bosnian Serb military Commander, Radko Mladic on charges
of genocide and crimes against humanity, that changed the politi-
cal constellation at the negotiation table at Dayton. With its
leadership under indictment, the Bosnian Serb side had to content
itself with being represented by Slobodan Milosevic, president of
a, by then, foreign state.
The fact alone of an international tribunal being given jurisdic-
tion over people and events taking place thousands of miles from
the contexts of those sitting in judgement, without an existing
set of legal norms creates already a new basis for the concept of
"justice". Srebrenica has been the main source of this tribunal's
credibility and its raison d'être.
As in the past 2 years, this year also the war crimes tribunal has
sent out teams to search for mass graves containing the remains of
the 8,000 Muslim soldiers that are widely believed to have been
massacred in the aftermath of the takeover. But a closer look at
the background of the Tribunal's search sheds a bit of light on
the shadowy side of the Tribunal's work.
The New York Times published an article written by one of its cor-
respondents, Mike O'Connor, (republished in the International
Herald Tribune May 14, 1998) entitled "Mass Graves in Bosnia Bol-
ster War-Crimes Cases. This article is very helpful in examining
the work of the Tribunal in the Hague, which is why it will be ex-
tensively quoted.
Deep in a remote rural stretch of Bosnia, war-crimes inve-
stigators have found a tangle of buried bodies that they say
is the remains of some of the 7,500 Muslim men that were
hidden to try to thwart the prosecution of Bosnian Serb
leaders for genocide. (...)
Exhumations in 1996 recovered 460 bodies, but 7,500 others
were still missing from the town of Srebrenica. Finding the
others has been the goal of war-crimes investigators for
more than two years.
(...) The discovery Tuesday - and the thousands of bodies
that investigators expect to find nearby - will bolster the
cases against 2 Bosnian Serb leaders, Radovan Karadzic and
General Ratko Mladic, the investigators say. Both have been
indicted for genocide by the tribunal in the Hague.
Investigators for the tribunal spoke Tuesday on condition of
anonymity.
Satellites that can locate bodies decomposing underground,
according to foreign military officers working with the
tribunal, aided the search. Witnesses to the reburial also
offered testimony, tribunal officials said.
The first remains were uncovered Tuesday morning. Investi-
gators unfurled a thin silvery sheet to protect their find
from the sun. Next to it, small orange flags had been stuck
in the ground to mark pieces of evidence such as bits of
clothing or shell casings.
Tuesday evening, according to a tribunal official, a layer
of tangled bodies across an ares of 200 ft² (18 m²) had been
exposed. The bones were so intertwined, the official said,
that it was not possible to exhume any of them Tuesday.
Proving that the soil around the bodies came from the ori-
ginal mass graves, or that shell casings found here match
those found at execution sites, will establish the connec-
tion they are looking for, investigators said.
When the original sites were inspected in 1996, investiga-
tors suspected most of the bodies had been moved. Doubts
were cast on American military's satellite surveillance,
with some investigators charging at the time that slipshod
monitoring had allowed Bosnian Serb authorities to move the
bodies undetected.
Now, however, tribunal officials say the bodies were moved
in October 1995, before the pinpoint satellite surveillance
was requested by the tribunal. Once the original sites were
discovered to have been tampered with, American satellite
photographs of the region were reviewed and were found to
show trucks and earth-moving equipment at the original bu-
rial sites, according to tribunal officials. 1)
Anonymous investigators say that the find "will bolster the cases
against [the] 2 Bosnian Serb leaders". The question should be rai-
sed: on what basis did the tribunal make its charges of no less
than »genocide«, if they now have to frantically run around to
scrape up enough bodies to make their indictment plausible? If
they now have to try to "prov[e] that the soil around the bodies
came from the original mass graves," does it mean that what they
had considered to be "the original mass graves" were either empty
or with too few bodies to justify the indictments? Were Karadzic
and Mladic charged according to the principle: "Indict now. Look
for evidence of a crime later"? "Charge the Serbs! If you don't
know what for, they do" seems to be the modus operandi in the Ha-
gue.
But it was this widely publicized "genocide" indictment that has
caused irreparable damage to the political and social constella-
tion in this region of Europe, creating also a new set of politi-
cal factors in the world. Some of them are:
the discrediting of the United Nations for having supposedly
allowed a "genocide" to take place on territory under its aut-
hority;
promoting NATO as the new "peace keeping" force;
making great strides to create public acceptance for inquisito-
rial, McCarthyist standards both in "justice" and "journalism"
on both national and international levels;
the definition of a new "moral" standard based on "human"
rights, determined by membership in particular "ethnic" groups
with rights to be respected and all others without rights wor-
thy of respect;
growing international acceptance of the concept of a people
being classified per se as "evil".
This has all been made possible through a massive propaganda cam-
paign colporteuring a - yet to be proven - "genocide," as if it
were a certitude. Politicians have justified and based momentous
decisions upon the supposition that the massacre is fact, decisi-
ons determining the welfare of the peoples of this region and
beyond.
The media bases each succeeding generation of falsification on
preceding generations of unproven factors. Both are so often re-
peated as a certainty, that the public does not even demand sub-
stantiating evidence.
O'Conner writes that "7,500 Muslim men were hidden to try to
thwart the prosecution of Bosnian Serb leaders for genocide."
Their "bodies were moved in October 1995, before the pinpoint sa-
tellite surveillance was requested by the tribunal". These and
other allegations are in gross contradiction to other information
published in the press.
1) The Numbers game:
First of all, the number 8,000 most often and most consistently
given in the press is itself the first falsification. The prosecu-
tion has never proven that 8,000 Muslims were killed. It is indi-
cative to note how the number 8,000 came into circulation.
The International Committee of the Red Cross published a press
statement Sept. 13, 1995 in which it was stated:
"The ICRC's head of operations for Western Europe, An-
gelo Gnaedinger, visited Pale and Belgrade from 2 to 7
September to obtain information from the Bosnian Serb
authorities about the 3,000 persons from Srebrenica whom
witnesses say were arrested by Bosnian Serb forces. The
ICRC has asked for access as soon as possible to all
those arrested (so far it has been able to visit only
about 200 detainees), and for details of any deaths. The
ICRC has also approached the Bosnia-Herzegovina
authorities seeking information on some 5,000
individuals who fled Srebrenica, some of whom reached
central Bosnia."2)
Sept. 15, 1995 in the New York Times these numbers were juggled to
make:
About 8,000 Muslims are missing from Srebrenica, the
first of two United Nations-designated 'safe areas'
overrun by Bosnian Serb troops in July, the Red Cross
said today. (...) Among the missing were 3,000, mostly
men, who were seen being arrested by Serbs. After the
collapse of Srebrenica, the Red Cross collected 10,000
names of missing people, said Jessica Barry, a
spokeswoman. In addition to those arrested, about 5,000
'have simply disappeared,' she said.3)
Aside from simply adding the 3,000 Muslim men found still in Sre-
brenica (that the Serbs then took as prisoners of war) and the
5,000 Muslim men, (reported by the International Red Cross to have
left Srebrenica before the arrival of Bosnian Serb forces) to in-
flate the figures - and therefore the gravity of the accusation -
they make no mention of the fact that by mid-September 1995 a
sizable portion of the group of 5,000 had already reached Muslim
territory and safety. The fact that the Red Cross was asking the
Bosnia-Herzegovina authorities for information about the number of
the 5,000 (the original figure) - "some of whom [had already] rea-
ched central Bosnia" - has completely disappeared from the news.
The entire 5,000 are still today - 3 years later - being counted
as "missing".
The Red Cross report was lacking the objectivity that one would
hope for from a non-partisan organization. Its very off-hand "some
of whom reached central Bosnia" gives the impression of only a
handful could be accounted for by mid-September. But again the
press gave another picture:
"Some 3,000 to 4,000 Bosnian Muslims who were considered
by UN officials to be missing after the fall of
Srebrenica have made their way through enemy lines to
Bosnian government territory. The group, which included
wounded refugees, sneaked past Serb lines under fire and
crossed some 30 miles through forests to safety." 4)
O'Connor's NY Times colleague Chris Hedges published this informa-
tion in the journal within a week of the takeover of Srebrenica
(July 18, 1995). Similar news appeared in other journals at the
time. August 2, 1995 the Times of London published the following:
»Thousands of the "missing" Bosnian Muslim soldiers from
Srebrenica who have been at the centre of reports of
possible mass executions by the Serbs, are believed to
be safe to the northeast of Tuzla.
Monitoring the safe escape of Muslim soldiers and civi-
lians from the captured enclaves of Srebrenica and Zepa
has proved a nightmare for the United Nations and the
International Committee of the Red Cross. For the first
time yesterday, however, the Red Cross in Geneva said it
had heard from sources in Bosnia that up to 2,000
Bosnian Government troops were in an area north of
Tuzla.
They had made their way there from Srebrenica "without
their families being informed", a spokesman said, adding
that it had not been possible to verify the reports
because the Bosnian Government refused to allow the Red
Cross into the area.5)«
According to the Washington Post, "The men set off at dawn on
Tuesday, July 11, in two columns that stretched back seven or
eight miles."6) Even if the Red Cross did not know that they left
Srebrenica in 2 columns, they at least knew that 2,000 were safe.
And UN officials knew of the 3, - 4,000 that had arrived earlier.
Yet the communique given in September failed to report that the
5,000 that "simply disappeared." simply disappeared back into the
ranks of the Bosnian military.
The Red Cross must have been aware that a "Big Lie" campaign was
launched around the issue of Srebrenica. By withholding and under-
stating important information, the Red Cross was, in effect, a
party to the conflict. It is unlikely that correspondents, such as
Mike O'Connor, and their editors are unaware of the fallacious
content of the reports they publish. The pattern of conformity in
this disinformation campaign is, to say the least, astonishing.
A little more than a week after Srebrenica, Zepa, a second Moslem
enclave (and UN Safe Area) was taken by Bosnian Serb forces.
Hundreds of the "missing" soldiers from Srebrenica were among the
defenders of Zepa in the last days of fighting. As the New York
Times recounts:
"The wounded troops were left behind, and when the Bos-
nian Serbs overran the town on Tuesday, the wounded were
taken to Sarajevo for treatment at Kosevo Hospital. Many
of them had begun their journey in Srebrenica, and fled
into the hills when that 'safe area' fell to the Bosnian
Serbs on July 11. These men did not make it to Tuzla,
where most of the refugees ended up, but became the
defenders of Zepa instead. 'Some 350 of us managed to
fight our way out of Srebrenica and make it into Zepa,'
said Sadik Ahmetovic, one of 151 people evacuated to
Sarajevo for treatment today. (...) They said they had
not been mistreated by their Serb captors.7)"
(The Muslim defenders of Zepa left their wounded behind as they
ran into the hills. It is also well known that the 5,000 Muslim
soldiers, who left Srebrenica before Serbian troops took over,
left their women and children behind. Obviously the Muslim sol-
diers must not have been too worried about their women, children
and wounded comrades falling into the hands of their Serbian coun-
trymen. The Serbian forces, generally portrayed as comparable to
Nazis, had the wounded members of the Muslim forces evacuated to
their Muslim hospital.)
The London Times article, quoted above mentions that 2000 Srebre-
nica soldiers made their way to the north of Tuzla "without their
families being informed". The question is, when, if ever, were the
families informed. Other than the few articles that took notice of
their resurrection from the dead, the public at large was never
informed that they, in fact were never massacred. On the contrary.
To maintain the myth of a gigantic massacre, is not only necessary
to create the illusion of having proof that it did happen - thus
the frantic searches for mass graves - but also to suppress the
proof that it did not take place - which means prohibit that too
many of the prisoners of war return "from the dead."
The figure of 3,000, given by the Red Cross, listed as having been
arrested by Bosnian Serb forces, which is counted into the media's
8,000 "massacred", should also be taken with a grain of salt. One
learns - again through isolated articles - that they too not only
were not massacred, but that the Red Cross, the United Nations,
and a host of "western" governments around the world all were well
aware of this fact.
January 17, 1996, the Manchester "Guardian" published an article
concerning one group of the former Muslim prisoners of war from
Srebrenica and Zepa, who, liberated from the prison camp at Slji-
vovica - in Serbia, were flown directly abroad to Dublin:
"Hundreds of Bosnian Muslim prisoners are still being
held at 2 secret camps within neighboring Serbia, ac-
cording to a group of men evacuated by the Red Cross to
a Dublin hospital from one camp - at Sljivovica. (...) A
group of 24 men was flown to Ireland just before
Christmas (...). But some 800 others remain incarcerated
in Sljivovica and at another camp near Mitrovo Polje,
just three days before the agreed date for the release
of all detainees under the Dayton peace agreement on
Bosnia (...). The Red Cross in Belgrade has been
negotiating for several weeks to have the men released
and given sanctuary in third countries. A spokeswoman
said most were bound for the United States or Australia,
with others due to be sent to Italy, Belgium, Sweden,
France and Ireland. (...) Since late August, the Red
Cross has made fortnightly visits from its Belgrade
field office. (...) Teams from the War Crimes Tribunal
at The Hague have been in Dublin to question and take
evidence from the men."8)
Why would war prisoners, whose normal first wish would be to re-
unite with their families and restart their interrupted lives in
peace, be rushed off to Dublin, with "papers to remain in Ire-
land"? And this at a time where most industrialized countries are
closing their borders to refugees! Were their families informed?
Could it be that they too - in a large enough group - could become
living proof of the fallacy of a huge Srebrenica "massacre" before
the 1996 fall elections?
US decided to accept 214 Bosniaks who, after the fall of
Srebrenica and Zepa, had been detained in Serbian camps and
give them refugee status. "It is horrible that those people
besides being captured during the bloodshed in Srebrenica
had to spend at least another two months in Serbian deten-
tion camps under dreadful conditions", said State Department
spokesman N. Burns. Burns emphasized that at least 800 men
out of 80 000 people who have been expelled from their homes
after the fall of Srebrenica and Zepa had been taken to
Serbia.9)
This is how the US government justified their aid in secretly
skirting the men out of the country. What is known is that neither
the Red Cross (which has been visiting the prisoners since Au-
gust), the Tribunal, (in its frantic search for evidence for the
"genocide" in Srebrenica and to have someone arrest the Bosnian
Serb leaders) nor the American government have made mention since
August 95 of these men being in custody, as war prisoners. Why?
Are they trying to conceal evidence exonerating the Bosnian Ser-
bian forces of the charge of "genocide" in connection with alleged
mass executions?
2) The vanishing corpses:
Like the juggling of the numbers of "missing" and their wherea-
bouts, excuses had to be found for the lack of corpses.
In August 1995, during a Security Council meeting, the US delega-
tion to the United Nations accused the leadership of the Bosnian
Serbs of having committed wide-scale atrocities against Muslim ci-
vilians. With what amounts to a satellite photo "peep show," Made-
leine Albright had an excuse already prepared for the lack of evi-
dence to support her charges. The NY Times in referring back to
that session of the UN Security Council wrote:
"On Aug. 10, [1995] the chief United States delegate to
the United Nations, Madeleine K. Albright, showed se-
lected photos of the two sites to a closed session of
the United Nations Security Council. She then said, 'We
will keep watching to see if the Bosnian Serbs try to
erase the evidence of what they have done.'"10)
One of the earlier versions was the vanishing corpses through a
corrosive agent. In the same article, the NY Times adds:
"American officials said today that they suspect Bosnian
Serb soldiers may have tried to destroy evidence that
they killed thousands of Muslim men seized in and around
the town of Srebrenica in July. The Serbs are suspected
of pouring corrosive chemicals on the bodies and
scattering corpses that had been buried in mass graves,
the officials said. The suspicions first arose in early
August, after Central Intelligence Agency experts
analyzed pictures of the area taken in July by
reconnaissance satellites and U-2 planes."11)
With the absence of traces of a corrosive substance, when it comes
time to dig up the "evidence," the entire legend falls flat.
Another explanation had to be found: the bodies were simply dug up
and moved someplace else. This excuse has its advantages: With the
needle in the haystack search for "mass graves," the tribunal
could keep the public at bay for quite a while. But also disadvan-
tages: How do you remove thousands of buried, decomposing bodies
without being seen by the "watchful eye" of Madeleine Albright's
satellites? Undismayed by this factual detail, the Tribunal and
media continue their course.
In Nov. 1995 the Dutch Minister of Defense, Joris Voorhove, ac-
cused the Serbs of "trying hastily to destroy the evidence of
the massacre they committed against thousands of Bosniaks
around Srebrenica." Citing "intelligence services" as his
source, he claimed in a TV interview, that "these days Serbs
have been exhuming the corpses from the mass graves in order to
remove the evidence of their crimes".12)
Approaching the day of reckoning and desperate for more concrete
evidence of the massacre, Richard Goldstone, the tribunal's chief
prosecutor, wrote a letter to the US Embassy in the Hague in Nov.
95, to pressure the US government to come forward with the evi-
dence it evidently had promised. The letter was quoted in the
Washington Post:
"Judge [Goldstone] called the 'quality and timeliness' of
intelligence provided by the United States 'disappointing.'
He complained about the failure to hand over spy photos that
he said could help the United Nations-sponsored tribunal
identify mass graves that appeared after the fall of
Srebrenica in July. The judge also complained that much of
the information provided by the United States so far was
based on 'open-source material' not relevant to the original
requests. He submitted an additional 25 questions to
Washington, including a request for information about a
transcript of a conversation between General Mladic and Yu-
goslav Army commanders who report directly to President
Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia."13)
[The reference to "open-source material", that the US government
furnished the tribunal as "evidence", simply means that the CIA
uses media reports, some of which are obviously its own propaganda
plants.]
The Clinton Administration made public 3 of the 8 photos shown the
Security Council. One of these 3 showed "disturbed soil".
"According to one American official who has seen the photographs,
one shows hundreds and perhaps thousands of Muslim men and boys in
a field near a soccer stadium about 5 miles north of Srebrenica.
Another photo taken several days later shows a large area of
freshly dug earth, consistent with the appearance of known mass
graves, near the stadium, which is empty.14)"
One of the three photos reproduced in several newspapers showed
two buildings, a main and subordinate road. Two light colored pat-
ches (indicated with arrows) in the middle of what could be a
field with a parallel double-lined path (tire tracks?) leading
from the main road to each of the light areas. The photo is entit-
led: "Possible Mass Graves; Kasaba/Konjevic Polje Area, Bosnia;
unclassified Jul. 95". In the lower left corner the explanation of
the arrows: "Recently disturbed earth."
As a NY Times journalist complained, the US government refused "to
let reporters see the satellite photographs (...) which were said
to include pictures of people crowded into a soccer field. Ameri-
can officials said the satellite photographs were classified, alt-
hough Ms. Albright showed them to the other 14 members of the Se-
curity Council."15) This striptease sort of procedure, in itself,
should provoke questions concerning the credibility of these pho-
tos portraying what we are told that they are supposed to show.
* Where are other more conclusive photos showing people in the
process of being shot, dead bodies being removed, open pits
being - or already - filled with bodies or being covered, ....?
* How closely were diplomats of the Security Council able to ex-
amine (for authenticity, manipulation, falsification) the pho-
tos? Were they forced to appraise the photos quickly, or were
they allowed to keep copies of the photos?
* Why are photos purported to be the most important - those
showing "Muslim men and boys," - hidden from the public? Do
they actually show what the US administration claim that they
show?
* How does the US secret service discern the difference between
"hundreds and perhaps thousands of Muslim men and boys" from
the same number of Serb or Croatian males - and that from outer
space? The Security Council members apparently saw something
different on these photos: A NY Times journalist following the
presentation to the Security Council reports: "The photographs
showed a stretch of fields at Novo Kasaba, near Srebrenica,
where Bosnian Muslim families were apparently herded toge-
ther."16) A mere detail? Which is the true story? The version
"Muslim men and boys" given by the CIA official the day before?
Or the one of "Bosnian Muslim families" the day after members
of the Security Council viewed the pictures? Had they realized
that they were viewing mainly women and children, (perhaps
being "herded together" to prepare to be taken by bus to
Tuzla)? Is this not a first indication that perhaps the satel-
lite photos will not stand up under independent appraisal?
Could this embarrassing discrepancy be the main reason why the
satellite photos were made inaccessible to the public?
* Where is the original photo taken by the reconnaissance air-
craft? Why was the original photo not shown to the Security
Council? The labeling that accompanied the published photo:
"Possible Mass Graves" was added after the photo was taken,
meaning that the built-in time and geographical settings from
reconnaissance cameras, were edited out of the picture and ar-
rows and other written interpretations of what one is supposed
to see edited onto the photo. Left to make ones' own interpre-
tations the same photo could have been interpreted to show so-
mething having nothing to do with warfare in the Balkans. How
does one know that the photo was taken near Srebrenica, or at
the time that it is claimed to have been taken - and not at
some other time in some other part of the world?
* Could it be that the US government knows that the origin of
this "disturbed soil" has nothing to do with "Mass Graves"?
Could this be the reason why the photo is entitled: "Possible
Mass Graves"? Would this not also explain why the State Depart-
ment and CIA found it necessary to launch rumors that Serbs had
allegedly removed the thousands of bodies that were supposed to
have been buried under this "disturbed soil" - albeit without
any satellite photos to back up this new rumor?
* The assumption that several days after having seen a full soc-
cer field, an empty one would signify that those formerly seen
there had been executed, is so farfetched, that it could be
dismissed as crazy. How many soccer stadiums remain filled
overnight, or days at a time? If those seen had in fact been
Muslims captured, why would the first assumption not have been
that they had been taken to a prisoner of war camp? This type
of explanation says more about the ethnic prejudices of the
author than it does about those of Bosnian Serb armed forces.
In the Bible, faith is defined as "the substance of things hoped
for, the evidence of things not seen". This seems a very appro-
priate description of the Tribunal's handling of the US satellite
and U-2 "evidence". It was on the basis of these photos that the
Security Council and tribunal accused the Serbian leadership of
having committed a massacre. The Tribunal's indictments against
Karadzic and Mladic were primarily based on faith in the journa-
lists' faith in the Security Council's faith in the CIA and its
spy photos. Neither the press nor the tribunal were given access
to all of the photos, yet both take it for granted that the Bos-
nian leaders are "guilty as charged."
But once the indictment handed down, the Bosnian Serb leaders shut
out of negotiations and the Serbian President Milosevic under ef-
fective threat (that he too could suffer the fate of his Bosnian
Serb Brethren), the Clinton Administration showed little interest
in helping "further the cause of justice".
The White House spokesman, Michael D. McCurry, and other US offi-
cials responded to Goldstone's complaints by saying:
"There are certain types of intelligence information that
our Government cannot share with the international commu-
nity." The NY Times article continues: "Mr. McCurry cited
'national security reasons' as the reason the United States
would withhold some evidence, and criticized the complaints
by the prosecutor, Judge Richard Goldstone, as
'unfortunate.' (...) In defending their level of cooperation
with the tribunal, Administration officials insisted that
Judge Goldstone is getting most of his data from the United
States and there would be no war crimes tribunal if not for
the United States."17)
With this statement these "administration officials" confirmed
what Serbs and independent observers have suspected from the be-
ginning: that the tribunal is simply being manipulated by the US
to serve its own foreign policy interests, and that its procedures
have really as little to do with "rule of law" standards as its
goals, with doing "justice".
It has been reported that in the New York central headquarters of
the UN, all files relevant to Srebrenica have been classified
"secret" for the next 30 - 50 years and are not even available for
the tribunal. This decision was taken at the demand of the perma-
nent members of the Security Council, the USA, France and Great
Britain, in reference to their protection of the secrecy of go-
vernment documents.18)
With what right does the US classify evidence, that it claims to
have, concerning what is often referred to as "the worst atroci-
ties committed in Europe since WW-II"? One could understand the US
government withholding evidence of war crimes committed by US
troops. But what justification does the US have for classifying a
"national security secret," crimes committed by those designated
as "enemy forces"? Is the US administration hiding the proof of a
crime or proof that it has no proof of a crime? Most disturbing of
all, is that hardly anyone raises this question.
As in November, the snow and icy winter began to set in, chances
of exhuming graves were slim. Come January, and the approaching
thaw, the Tribunal and their chief prosecutor, at the time,
Richard Goldstone, began to get nervous. The US government was
still not forthcoming with more conclusive evidence of a massacre.
At one point, Goldstone threatened "the exhumation of the graves
may become necessary in order to determine the identity of the
corpses and the time and cause of death and to obtain the neces-
sary evidence."19) What Goldstone formulated here as a threat
should have been - if the tribunal were a normal court of law -
the most logical first step for determining that a crime had been
committed, a prerequisite for an indictment.
Confronted with the inevitability of the exhumation, American
journalists began to prepare public opinion for the disappointment
that would soon come when the graves turn up empty. Washington
Post journalist, John Pomfret, visited a site that "according to a
Western investigator, could be 2 of several mass graves in the re-
gion believed to hold corpses of some of the estimated 12,000 Mus-
lim fighters". Pomfret observes that: "while dirt obviously had
been moved recently around the sites in Glogova, if Serbian gunmen
had attempted to tamper with it or destroy evidence, they did not
do a thorough job. Bones were readily visible on the clay dirt, as
were bandages, shoes and other things that obviously once belonged
to the men buried below."20) Mr. Pomfret, does not take the tampe-
ring too seriously, since he leaves the efforts of the would-be
tamperers at the level of "attempting to" and admits that they did
it unseriously. Could it have been that it was supposed to appear
as though someone had "attempted" to tamper. Since the region was
being watched by American IFOR forces, maybe Mr. Pomfret has also
information about whether the would be tamperers were Americans.
Besides his inflationary reporting - pulling the sum of "12,000
Muslim fighters" out of thin air - it would seem that along with
his "Western investigator," Mr. Pomfret must also have a very
"special" source of information concerning the would-have-been
tamperers: How else would he know, that they were carrying guns -
"gunmen" - instead of shovels? Little wonder they did not do a
good job. Ever try to dig a hole with a rifle?
Also to be noted, and not just for both Mr. O'Connor and Mr. Pom-
fret, many journalists have a privileged source: their anonymous
"investigators", another name for intelligence agent.
It would be interesting to learn with what means the Serbian for-
ces supposedly disposed of 7,500 decomposing bodies. Such an
enterprise would not only take a lot of time and effort, but would
also require quite a large space. How is this supposed to have
been accomplished without having been seen by the hi-tech satel-
lite and U-2 surveillance?
Mr. O'Connor also affirms that the US is using "satellites that
can locate bodies decomposing underground". The question should
arise: Why has it taken them 3 years to locate the corpses that
they claim to be in the area since July '95? And they still do not
have them.
(It should not be forgotten that simply the fact of finding a
"mass grave" is not necessarily proof of a mass execution. In war-
time the battlefield victims of the opposing side may be disposed
of in this way, until a transfer of the remains could be negotia-
ted with the other side, to avoid the health problems that their
decomposition on the surface could cause, particularly in summer.)
The work of the Hague Tribunal has been highly praised as an
"example" of what is needed on a more general basis as an answer
to "war crimes" and "genocide". Neither the tribunal nor the press
has produced substantial evidence 1) that a genocide was ever
planned or attempted by the Bosnian Serb leadership and 2) that a
large scale massacre - thousands of Muslims - ever took place in
the aftermath of the Bosnian Serbian takeover of Srebrenica. And
this after nearly 3 years of promises to bring proof to support
indictments. It is as adventurous to speak of a "genocide" without
corpses as it is of a "murder" without a victim.
To be sure, if this becomes the international legal norm of ju-
risprudence, no national legal system - no matter how good it is,
will withstand the pressure of such a totalitarian judicial sy-
stem. This sort of procedure if allowed to set in on the interna-
tional level will determine also national judicial standards. Hu-
manity will find itself being juridically set back to the stan-
dards of the era of the inquisition.
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Sidebar: The Eyewitness, Erdemovic
Not anxious to exhume the suspected graves, and lacking other material proof of mass executions, the tribunal turned once again to its mainstay: "Eyewitness'" testimony as "evidence". This is the most unreliable form of evidence, because it is the easiest to be manipulated and tailored to fit the desired circumstances. One need only affirm having been a witness to something. As long as the accused cannot prove the contrary - and the tribunal will not search for corroborating evidence to support the allegations, the defendent will be convicted. This turns the basic rule of "proof of a crime being with the prosecution" on its head.
When the "eyewitness" Drazen Erdemovic, came forward in March 96, asking to go the the Hague, this caused a great sensation of enthusiasm in the Hague. Erdemovic described himself, in a confession to the French daily, "Le Figaro", as a "soldier in the Bosnian Serb Army." He said that he had participated in mass executions of Muslim civilians from Srebrenica, describing in details the massacres of 1200 people on one field of a farm in Pilice, near Janja, on the road Bjeljina- Zvornik. According to him the executioners "used 7,62mm bullets."1)
With such detailed information, one would think that the Tribunal would finally have what it would need to be able to locate and secure the necessary evidence to bring concrete charges against those who participated. They would have to simply exhume the bodies and in a forensic examination verify if they had been killed with 7,62mm bullets. That is of course, if the tribunal wanted to learn if Erdemovic was a reliable witness or giving false information out of some personal or political motivation.
In 1992, in his native Tuzla, Erdemovic "first joined HVO (The paramilitary Croatian Council of Defence), then he went over to the Serbian side. In Serbia came in contact with ABC TV- station,2) and (...) offered his story, and his testimony to Tribunal in The Hague.3)" The International Herald Tribune adds: "Mr. Erdemovic, who (...) had been an ordinary soldier, said that after a falling out with his commander in Bosnia he decided to move to Serbia and tell his story, apparently in revenge."4)
Is this a reliable witness? Is is plausible that an ex-HVO para- military Croatian nationalist would have joined - would have even been accepted in - the Bosnian Serb army? It has also been reported - and denied - that chief prosecutor Richard Goldstone had offered Erdemovic benefit of the "state's witness" regulation, freedom from prosecution for himself and was guaranteed a new life abroad for his valuable testimony.5)
Erdemovic came to the Hague as a witness and became himself, the defendent charged with crimes against humanity, for his role in the executions that he described.
In an article in "The Nation", Diana Johnstone described the conviction as being:
"heralded as a great "first" in establishment of global justice. [The Erdemovic] case is considered of great importance to the Tribunal since his confession of taking part in executing over a thousand Muslims after the Serb capture of Srebrenica is considered prime evidence in the Tribunal's "main event", the future trial of Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic. 6)
She also points out the catch:
However, inasmuch as he confessed to his crimes, there was no formal trial and no presentation of material evidence to corroborate his story. In any case, since he had turned "state's evidence", there would have been no rigorous cross-examination from either a contented prosecution or a complaisant defense regarding the discrepancy between the number of Muslims he testified having helped execute at a farm near Pilica -- 1,200 -- and the number of bodies actually found there by the Tribunal's forensic team: about 150 to 200.7)
He was given an original ten year sentence. Upon appeal, he changed his plea from "guilty" to a crime against Humanity, to "guilty" to a war crime. Citing among other things, "honest disposition; this is supported by his confession and consistent admission of guilt"8) his change of plea was accepted and his sentence was reduced from 10 to 5 years. (Does the "honest disposition" cited by the tribunal, would mean that those who defend their innocence would be particularly punished, particularly when the tribunal makes no effort of verifying the evidence?)
1) O'Connor, Mike; Mass Graves in Bosnia Bolster War-Crimes Cases; IHT (NYT-Services), 14.5.98
2) Former Yugoslavia: Srebrenica: help for families still awaiting news; ICRC News 37
3) AP; Conflict in the Balkans; 8,000 Muslims Missing; New York Times; Sep 15, 1995; p: 8
4) Chris Hedges; Conflict in the Balkans: In Bosnia; Muslim Refugees Slip Across Serb Lines; New York Times; Jul 18, 1995 p: 7
5) Evans, Michael and Kallenbach, Michael; Missing' enclave troops found; The Times; 02 August 1995 p: 9
6) Dobbs, Michael/ Spolar, Christine; 12,000 Muslims Massacred In July Srebrenica Exodus; Washington Post, October 27, 1995
7) Hedges, Chris; Bosnia Troops Cite Gassings At Zepa; New York Times, Jul 27, 1995
8) Vulliamy, Ed; Bosnia: The secret War - Serbs 'run secret camps': Men freed from clandestine detention tell Ed Vulliamy of random beatings and 'mobile torture machines'; Guardian, 17.1.96
9) S.K., Another Two Mass Graves - Discovered, Press TWRA, Jan 19,1996
10)Weiner, Tim; U.S. Says Serbs May Have Tried To Destroy Massacre Evidence; NY Times, Oct. 30, 1995
11)ibid
12)Serbs Try To Remove Evidence Of Massacre In Srebrenica, TWRA - Daily Bulletin, Nov 18, 1995
13)Sciolino, Elaine; US Says It Is Withholding Data From War Crimes Panel; NY Times, 8.11.95 (pg. 10)
14)ibid
15)Op cit: Crossette, Barbara; U.S. Seeks to Prove (...) The New York Times; 11.8.95
16)ibid
17)op. cit. Sciolino, Elaine; US Says (...)
18)Zumach, Andreas; UN-Tribunal kritisiert französische "Totalblockade": Paris verbietet Zeugenvernehmung Janviers und anderer französischer Offiziere in Den Haag; Tageszeitung (Berlin), 17.12.97
19)god/cha, UN-Tribunal will Massengräber in Bosnien öffnen lassen; Goldstone: Exhumierung notwendig zur Beweissicherung, Agence France Presse (Deutschland - AFD) 19.01.1996 - 17:54
20)John Pomfret, Bosnia Killing Fields Reveal A Grisly Demise, Mass Graves near Srebrenica, IHT / WPS, 20.1.96
Sidebar:
1) Vanessa Vasic-Janekovic, A Man Who Knows Too Much (Covjek koji zna previse), quoted in the ARZIN index-60, 15.3.96
2) Why didn't ABC-TV take this "scoop" of a lifetime? The credit for breaking this story is "Le Figaro". This sounds like a common CIA "black propaganda" method: plant a false story in a reputable foreign paper to have the American press pick it up as a reprint. This hides the American hand at the origin of the story. The French press, at the time, was not as monolithically anti-Serb, as the German or American media.
3) ibid
4) Jane Perlez, Milosevic is expected to Aid in a War crimes Case; 2 Bosnian Serbs may face court, IHT, 14.3.96
5) cd sg Bosnien/UN/Jugoslawien; Tribunal verlangt in Belgrad Auslieferung von Srebrenica-Zeugen, dpa 12.03.1996 - 12:57
6) Johnstone, Diana; Selective Justice in The Hague: The War Crimes Tribunal on Former Yugoslavia is a Mockery of Evidentiary Rule; The Nation, 22.9.97
7) Ibid
8) Drazan Erdemovic sentenced to 5 Years imprisonment; Press Communiqué of the ICTY; http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/p299-e.htm
By George Pumphrey July 1998
Сребреница - Delije Valjevo - 06-01-2005
Danas, 1.juna na B92 su pustili snimak STRELJANJA muslimana iz Srebrenice!
Alo, momci, o cemu vi ovde pisete i pricate.Bio sam u blizini Srebrenice za vreme rata, i znam sta se desavalo, ne onda kada se definitivno dogodio masakr, ali malo pre toga. Alo momci... Da li ste ikada razmislili sta se to dogodilo nama Srbima da pravimo zverstva koja nam nikada kroz istoriju nisu bila svojstvena??? Da li ste ikada razmisljali ko je ta zverstva u nase ime radio i zasto??? Zverstava nad nama je previse bilo, ali, da li mi treba da budemo isti kao zlocinci sa druge strane??? Da li,ako u Boga verujete mislite da je to u redu??? Pretpostavljam da ste jos mladi, i da cete jednog dana shvatiti ovo sto sam napisao.Deda mi je bio cetnik, i nemojte olako cetnisko ime u usta uzimati, jer da bi ste to mogli, onda morate znati Cetnicku etiku i kodekse, a u njima zlocina i zverstava NEMA!!! Nemojte ako za Boga znate. Zbog takvih prica koje je proturala Udba i DB jos uvek ne mozemo ubediti ljude sta je stvarna istina o Cetnicima i pokretu Dragoljuba Draze Mihailovica. I nemojte molim vas opravdavati zlocine i zlocince. Isto je za mene ubiti i jednog coveka i 100 njih. Kazete da mediji u Srbiji stalno pricaju o zlocinima koji su cinjeni u nase ime. Pa prvo se mi moramo suociti da je takvih bilo medju nama, zbog nas samih i nase istorije i predaka,koji su nam bili ponos bas zbog toga sto nisu bili genocidni i sto su bili pravi vojnici i cestiti ljudi. Cak i onda kada su ih u jame i bezdane po tvojoj Hercegovini bacali, nozevima klali po Jasenovcu ili streljali na Banjici, Starom Sajmistu, Kragujevcu... I jos nesto, da li ovde neko moze da mi objasni zasto je neko, na samom kraju rata u Bosni ( padom Srebrenice zaokruzen je srpski prostor i ociscena oblast pored Drine ), pobio, nebitno koliki broj ljudi, da li hiljadu ili 8??? A bolje da ne pricam o streljanjima u Bratuncu, a verujte da dobro znam, u to vreme sam bio u Ljuboviji... Razmislite dobro pre nego sto me svi napadnete na ovom Forumu,jer, video sam ubijanja dovoljno za 10 zivota, i veoma dobro znam o cemu Vam pisem i govorim.Pozdrav
Сребреница - Northern - 06-01-2005
Да, и ја сам видео снимак.Ужас!
Делије Ваљево, само да има мало више људи који размишљају као ти!
Сребреница - James J. Bulger - 06-02-2005
Pitam se da li muslimanima u SA prikazuju slike zverstva koje su oni pocinili, pitam se da li amerikanci prikazuju svojim gradjanima njihova zverstva. Dosta vise sa tim moralisanjem, jebe mi se bas sto su ubili 5 muslimana, a da ne pricamo o tome da su mozda isti ti muslimani pre nego sto su zarobljeni ko zna sta radili srbima, ali to uopste nije bitno. Ja nemam iluziju da nismo radili zverstva, ali isto tako necu priznavati svoja dok drugi zataskavaju zverstva nad nama. Nece niko reci da smo nesto bolji zato sto priznajemo, nego ce samo reci eto priznali su da su to radili nad jadnim ______. A sto su ti jadni radili nad nama i to prikrivaju to nikom nista, sto ne trazite da se i to prikaze na TV, pa da malo i oni vide sta su radili ???